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Participants:
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Jzt says, "testing rasmol tape 29th May 1996"
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ClareS [to RogerSayle]: receiving you fine now, welcome!
JohnW applauds too
RogerSayle [guest] says, "The connection seems much better from Edinburgh"
Simo finds his/her way in.
Jzt [to RogerSayle]: Glad you got here!
Simo finds his/her way out.
JohnW [to RogerSayle]: no problem...thanks for bearing with us despite the tech hitches
JohnW says, "Ok, shall we begin?"
SteveTate says, "yes please"
Ahotz nods
Silke nods
RogerSayle [guest] nodes
PeteO nods
Paolo nods
RogerS [guest] has disconnected.
The housekeeper arrives to remove RogerS [guest].
ClareS . o O ( 20 ppl here - almost a record? )
Qian [guest] finds its way in.
JohnW says, "This meeting is intended to be at a relatively introductory level...then depending on the feedback we will hopefully be holding one some more advanced RasMol seminars later."
TRex says, "and more yet"
RogerSayle [guest] says, "Don't worry RogerSayle is still here"
JohnW smiles
Simo finds his/her way in.
HorstJS finds his way in.
JohnW says, "We have an agenda (.../PPS2/listproc/pps96-general/9605/0057.html) but of course we can deviate from this (as usual ;) depending on what questions people might have"
Johnr asks "Did somebody invite Eric Martz- he'd enjoy this historic event!
Qian [guest] says, ""Hellow, everyone!""
ClareS welcomes newcomers
TRex Hello Qian
JohnW says, "We hope to have some of the RasMol e-mail listers at future seminars"
ClareS [to JohnW]: what is the address of the Rasmol list? I didn't know of it
JohnW says, "Ok, firstly, I am assuming that all present here have at least some basic knowledge of using RasMol, by using the pull-down menus for instance"
ClareS nods
Ahotz nods
Lappe nods
Paolo nods
PeteO nods
EricG nods
Giovanni says, "yes"
Silke nods
JohnW [to ClareS]: see the impressive Rasmol Home Page at http://klaatu.oit.umass.edu:80/microbio/rasmol/
JohnW says, "..that home page and the RasMol e-mail list are run by Eric Martz"
Qian [guest] says, ""yes""
Paulyta finds his/her way in.
Paulyta waves
Gayle schulte finds his/her way in.
JohnW says, "I believe that some of the PPS-ers are already on the RasMol e-mail list- I certainly recommend it, very educational!"
Gayle schulte waves
TRex waves to new arrivals
RogerSayle [guest] says, "to ClareS To join the RasMol list send the message "subscribe rasmol <bname> " to listproc@lists.umass.edu"
JohnW says, "Anyway, back to using RasMol... how many people have experimented with using more complicated combinations of commands to display molecules in more elaborate ways?"
Iddo raises hand
Johnr grins
JohnW says, "(BTW see the RasMol page under PPS Technology Page for pointer to RasMol home page, Henry Brzeskis and Alan Wards tutorials, plus other goodies..)"
ClareS [to RogerSayle]: <bname>? real name or email address?
Lappe wa[139q: murmers"yes, tried.."
RogerSayle [guest] [to ClareS]: sorry, Real Name
TRex says, "I wouldn't say I've done complicated things with RasMol!"
Silke has just used a combination of simple commands
JohnW says, "Ok.. so I take it there are some here who may not have tried typing in actual commands, rather than using the pull down menus?"
TRex nods
Ahotz says, "I took commands out of the scripts supplied"
Qian [guest] says, ""I have tried""
Lappe It took me a fair amount of time to display hydrogen bonds ...
TRex says, "I have typed a few commands using Roger's manual as a guide"
Paolo says, "Me too"
ClareS has not done anything very complex
CrisCan says, "me too"
Paulyta has disconnected.
Johnr is tickled by "within(distance, id)"
HorstJS experimented with a few commands but only a few
TRex grins
JohnW says, "Well, before I proceed, it will be as well to check that people have their WWW browsers configured to invoke RasMol including the command line window, not just the display window"
Iddo goes home.
Paulyta has connected.
JohnW says, "(actually this applies to Unix boxes eally, as I think on other systems the command window always comes up)"
TRex says, "I have both windows come up"
AlexS finds his way in.
TRex agrees with John - the command box comes up automatically on PCs
Lappe says (sorry, I can't access RasMol from this machine, so I'll just follow the session textually)
JohnW says, "Ok, well please speak up now anyone who is not aware of the non-display window...which is the one which displays various data on request, and when you first load in a structure file"
Kurt raises his hand
Kurt says, " I only get the 'picture' window"
JohnW says, "..and the one you type commands into. I should say at this stage that what follows is geared towards looking at PDB structure files with RasMol, but of course that is not the only structure format Rasmol can interpret"
SteveTate says, "is that the command line?"
Silke is not sitting at her usual computer and just trying to install rasmol
CheeMV finds his way in.
JohnW [to kurt]: Are you using a Unix box?
Kurt nods
JohnW is digging out his .mailcap file
ClareS has updated to netscape2 recently, and it's no longer finding the .mailcap
JohnW says, "Ok- if you start RasMol in unix from a terminal window, then it is that window which displays the info + accepts commands. Netscape should therefore be configured to start up one of these windows, which sunsequently runs Rasmol (rather than running rasmol directly), as follows:"
JohnW says, "e.g. of the form:"
JohnW says, "chemical/x-pdb; xterm -e <path>/rasmol %s;"
JohnW says, "..in your .mailcap file"
JohnW [to kurt]: "Is this different to what is currently defined in your .mailcap file for the chemical/x-pdb MIME type?
Kurt nods and corrects his .mailcap
TRex muses about the idiosyncracies of unix
SteveTate says, "I love unix!"
JohnW adds that some WWW servers use the chemical/pdb (sic) MIME type, e.g. the one at ExPASy in Geneva, so you should have this defined in your .mailcap too
Johnr notes that it is true multitasking idiosyncracity
TRex says, "I wish I could talk to it!"
Kurt now has a perfectly working set up!
JohnW says, "Yes, sorry to bore you Mac and Windows buffs.. ;-)"
TRex claps enthusiastically
TRex says, "No problem - I can use the information!"
TRex says, "Anyway, back to RasMol"
TRex says, "Can I ask about RaMenu - or is that jumping ahead?"
JohnW says, "actually, I think this is probably as good a point as any to talk about RasMenu..but not using PCs much, I am not that experienced with it- could somebody else take up this one?"
RogerSayle [guest] [to TRex]: "What would you like to know about RasMenu?"
Johnr says, "To complicate things, I don't *think* RasMENU works on a Win95 box-- just 3.11"
JohnW [to RogerSayle]: Is it possible to sum up in a nutshell the difference between RasMenu and RasWin?
TRex says, "I guess I would like to know what advantages it has above using the command line window"
JohnW [to johnr]: We've got RasMenu working with WIn 95
ClareS [to RogerSayle]: is that right (about Win95)? I am thinking of buying a PC, and RasMol is one of the progs I will need
Bergeron has disconnected.
RogerSayle [guest] says, ""RasMenu is simply a graphical front end to RasWin under Microsoft Windows""
JohnW nods
RogerSayle [guest] says, ""RasMenu doesn't perform graphics operations itself but rather starts"
RogerSayle [guest] says, ""up a copy of RasWin and passes commands to it dynamically"
TRex says, "I have to admit that I don't have RasMenu working on this terminal - it needs a file called vbrun..., which I don't have here"
SteveTate says, "is rasmenu only available on th epc and what advantages does it have ? being a Mac user I would also like thes advanatages if any."
ClareS says, "I would like to know if there is anything I will need to look for / avoid when selecting a PC? And will it run under Linux?"
RogerSayle [guest] says, ""Everything that you can do in the RasMenu GUI corresponds to a command line in RasWin"
CrisCan says, "why there is no more in 2.6?"
Qian [guest] says, ""I could not start rasmenu by itself. I had to start raswin first before starting rasmenu. Is that right?""
Johnr says, "Yes-- perhaps there is something to setting up the directory trees in Win95?!"
ClareS has figured out the changes in her .mailcap
TRex says, "So, Roger - is it necessary to have RasMenu, if it passes everything "through" the command line box??"
Johnr asks RogerS what about "spinning?"
RogerSayle [guest] says, ""The only advantage of RasMenu, for Mac Users, is that it can be used to help construct complex command lines"
JohnW says, "Ah yes, 'spin'"
RogerSayle [guest] says, ""You could probably build a version of RasMenu for the apple SQMac using AppleScript"
TRex says, "?complex command lines - like "scripts" ?"
AlexS has disconnected.
RogerSayle [guest] says, ""Of cousre the rocjk and spin commands are exceptions to the rule!""
RogerSayle [guest] says, ""these RasMenu menu options repeatedly send "rotate y
SteveTate says, "for the last 45 mins we have talked about mine good? then ????? what about
how to use the basics how to select things etc how to use the command line etc. or are you
assuming that we can all do this ?"
PeteO I'm still having trouble inputting script files with RasMenu (using W3.11): the
program freezes! Anyone else have this problem?
JohnW nods
TRex frowns quietly
RogerSayle [guest] [to ]:
Johnr says, "And I wish RasMol weren't so smart about its scripts!"
Johnr says, "Dumb scripts a la Gnuplot would be nice."
JohnW [to SteveTate]: yes, we have got sidetracked a bit... we will go back to addressing the
subject of basic rasmol commands:
RogerSayle [guest] [to johnr]: "
SteveTate says, "thanks"
RogerSayle [guest] [to johnr]: In what sense do you prefer GNUplot scripts?
PeteO apologizes
Johnr says, "Oh! I can apply them to various files!"
SteveTate dozes quitely in the corner
Johnr says, "Rather than they're being "hard-wired" :-)"
The housekeeper arrives to cart Bergeron off to bed.
SteveTate has just woken Kdenton up from a deep slumber
JohnW says, "Ok, back to basic commands..."
Johnr says, "But-- what a program! A delight to tell the world (and students) about"
RogerSayle [guest] [to johnr]: "The only problem is with RasMol generated scripts that refer
to a particular molecule
Ahotz has disconnected.
RogerSayle [guest] [to johnr]: "Scripts written by hand , as GNUplot scripts must be, apply
to anything
Giovanni has disconnected.
TRex says, "Let's go through a few basic commands that people have problems with.
Anyone?"
ClareS [to TRex]: very sensible idea...
SteveTate says, " is there any method of defining your own sets ? "
TRex grins sheepishly
RogerSayle [guest] says, ""You can define your own sets in RasMol with the "define"
command"
The housekeeper arrives to cart AlexS off to bed.
RogerSayle [guest] says, ""i.e. define activesite within(8.0,ligand)"
RogerSayle [guest] says, ""then you can use this in expressions such as "select activesite and
hydrophobic""
JohnW should get into the habit of defining his own sets...
JohnW says, "could we clarify the difference between the 'select' and 'restrict' commands?"
EricG [to RogerSayle]: "Why don't we go for defining a small molecule and render it, as a
first tutorial, if this is not too elementary?"
JohnW says, "or perhaps we could all look at a particular PDB file..."
EricG agrees.
RogerSayle [guest] scnas the internet for a good PDB file
ClareS agrees with johnw
JohnW says, "make it a small one!"
JohnW smiles
TRex smiles
SteveTate says, "what is the default for for commands such as ribbon? is the default 100 or
another number?"
ClareS would like to recommend the EBI mirror site for speed ;-)
JohnW says, "BTW everyone should download the file from their nearest Internet site
(assuming its not on your own local system of course!"
TRex says, "What about 1crn.pdb, which comes with the program?"
The housekeeper arrives to cart ahotz off to bed.
RogerSayle [guest] says, ""Excellent idea, 1crn.pdb it is!"
RogerSayle [guest] says, ""By default, the ribbon command display 380 wide in helix and
sheet and 100 wide in coil"
The housekeeper arrives to cart Giovanni off to bed.
JohnW says, "No solvent to look at, which is probably no bad thing for an introductory
tutorial"
Qian [guest] has disconnected.
The housekeeper arrives to remove qian [guest].
SteveTate says, " I've just hade a floating point error on Rasmol (windows 3.1) things are not
going well here "
-----------------------------------Lappe-----------------------------------
I'm sorry to disturb this intensive discussion,
but I have another lecture at the BCD-classroom, so
I've got to leave here.
The questions I'd like to put are the following (may be
discussed later):
1. Where can I find a transcript of this session afterwards ?
2. (secondary structures)
How does RasMol calculate the flat ribbon bonds representing
helices ? how does it determine the direction of the ribbon,
in which direction the flat side has to face ?
3. In the manual pages I found that RasMol "calculates"
secondary structure elements, if not given in the PDB-file.
Is that right ?
4. Is there a possibility of using an abstract representation
of barrels for alpha-helices and flat ribbons for sheets ?
-----------------------------------Lappe-----------------------------------
TRex says, "I have a wirframe crambin!"
ClareS does too
RogerSayle [guest] does too
TRex says, "Steve, which version of RasMol are you using?"
JohnW [to Lappe]: this is being recorded, but will also be archived on WWW, unless anyone
objects....will e-mail you the URL later
RogerSayle [guest] says, ""Has evryone managed to to load crambin?""
Qian [guest] finds its way in.
Kurt nods
EricG nods
TRex is not sure SteveTate has it under way
Lappe messag: [to JahnW] thanx! CU & Sayonara!
Lappe has disconnected.
Paolo nods
JohnW has got a crambin in front of him
Qian [guest] says, ""I was sent away by the system.""
TRex says, "Welcome back, Qian"
Qian [guest] says, ""thanks, Terry.""
TRex says, "Let's put some meat on crambin"
Simo nods
EricG [to JohnW]: "I would like to know if it is possible to edit the molecule once we see
it on display
RogerSayle [guest] says, ""to draw the topic to the recent, questions, render Crambin using
the "ribbons " command"
Lappe has connected.
Lappe finds his way out.
PeteO finally finds crambin
JohnW [to EricG]: I dont think this is possible
RogerSayle [guest] says, ""Alas RasMol can only display molecules""
EricG [to JohnW]: "...but not just changing the appearance. By editing I mean add atoms,
construct a molecule interactively without already having a description file.
SteveTate has disconnected.
JohnW says, "for beginners we should add that by default, all atoms are selected, so when
you type 'ribbon' or 'wireframe' etc, this is applied to the whole molecule..."
MLappe [guest] finds its way in.
JohnW says, "..but you can apply these commands to particular parts, using the 'select'
command first"
TRex says, "Can we go through select and restrict?"
JohnW [to TRex]: yes, my thoughts exactly
TRex smiles
Qian [guest] says, ""I agree with Terry.""
JohnW [to RogerSayle]: "could you explain the difference?
RogerSayle [guest] says, ""The difference is that the restrict command is supposed to turn off
evrything that is not selected"
RogerSayle [guest] says, ""the theory is that you restrict the molecule to the portion of
interest"
RogerSayle [guest] says, ""for example, "restrict sheets or helix" should turn off the display
of the coil parts of crambin"
ClareS [to RogerSayle]: "turned off" = undisplayed, is this right?
ClareS . o O ( too late... )
TRex grins
JohnW [to RogerSayle]: "thats what I thought, but when I try 'restrict helix' for e.g. then only
the wireframe rendition of the non-helix parts are turned off (previously I had the whole of
crambin shown as both wireframe and ribbon
RogerSayle [guest] says, ""Exactly, turned off means undisplayed""
RogerSayle [guest] says, ""this is easier than spacefill off, backbone off, wireframe off,
ribbons off, etc..."
JohnW says, "..i.e. the sheets remain displayed as ribbon, but not wireframe"
HorstJS says, "could you explain the possible expressions for selecting atoms, a.acids, etc.??"
RogerSayle [guest] says, ""to display the coil bits again, type "select all", "ribbons""
JohnW is a bit confused
Kurt says, "Is it possible to show the helices in ribbon and the rest as backbone without
having to number the bits individually"
RogerSayle [guest] says, "The sel"
TRex says, "Restict on my PC turns off both wireframe and ribbons"
ClareS says, "I've noticed a difference in how "restrict" works depending on the previous
display, when the whole molecule is drawn in ribbon, the ribbons stay after trstrict - when
it's drawn in wireframe, the unselected bits disappear"
JohnW [to ClareS]: yes, thats exactly what I find
RogerSayle [guest] says, ""Alas early versions of RasMol didn't always turn every
represntation off, I forgot when adding ribbons with version 2.5, to turn them off in the
restrict command. This is fixed in v2.6beta"
The housekeeper arrives to cart SteveTate off to bed.
RogerSayle [guest] says, ""I'm sorry for the confusion this has caused""
JohnW [to ClareS]: if you have the whole molecule simultaneously displayed as wireframe
and ribbon, then restrict seems to turn off only the wireframe (on my unix box)
TRex says, "I'm using 2.6 :)"
ClareS is running 2.5...
JohnW is as well
RogerSayle [guest] says, ""In v2.5, type "select not selected" "ribbons off" "select not
selected""
Qian [guest] says, ""I am using 2.6, too.""
RogerSayle [guest] says, ""this should then behave as RasMol was supposed to (mea culpa!""
Silke [to JohnW]: on my box restrict turns off both displays simultaneously
Kurt says, "How does it know what is helix? is this exactly as defined in the PDB file?"
JohnW says, "ok, I've got it now... its ok on 2.6 for unix"
JohnW nods to Kurt
RogerSayle [guest] says, ""if you type the copmmand "show info" you can find out which
definitions for secondary structure RasMol is using""
RogerSayle [guest] [to say]: "if you type the command "structure" "show info" you can see
that RasMol
RogerSayle [guest] says, ""has calculated where secondary structures are by geometry
(Kabsch & Sander's DSSP algorithm), this definition is slightly different, you should notice
that the ribbons start and end in different places""
Henryb says, "I'm still here. just keeping busy learning all these new things"
RogerSayle [guest] says, ""For example, in crambin DSSP thinks that the tight turn between
residues 40-45 is a helix!""
RogerSayle [guest] says, ""the authors called this a beta-turn""
TRex says, "Ahh!"
RogerSayle [guest] says, ""if you type the commands "select all", "hbonds" you can see the
hydrogen bonds that are used in the DSSP calculation"
JohnW says, "Another example is the insulin dimer, where the two beta strands which give
rise to the dimer are not deemed as such by DSSP (I think)"
Qian [guest] says, ""I am still confused with the select and restrict commands. Can they do
the same thing?""
RogerSayle [guest] says, ""Try the following sequence of commands...""
RogerSayle [guest] says, ""select all; ribbons off; backbone 100; set hbonds backbone; hbonds
40; colour hbonds type"
EricG has disconnected.
ClareS says, "how are "types" of h-bonds defined?"
JohnW . o O ( Wow! )
RogerSayle [guest] says, ""This should display the hydrogen bonding pattern within Crambin.
each hydrogen bond is displayed between alpha carbons colour coded by the distance between
the donor and acceptor""
TRex stares open-mouthed
RogerSayle [guest] says, ""For example the +4 distance in alpha helices display red"
Kurt shares JohnW's amazement!
RogerSayle [guest] says, ""and the +5 hbonds in the turn display magenta""
ClareS says, "distance" refers to no. of amino acids, not distance in A?"
RogerSayle [guest] looks up hydrogen bonding criteria
PeteO says, "beautiful!"
RogerSayle [guest] says, ""yes the number of residues between donor and acceptor residues
along the chain"
Silke says, "is that how secondary structure is defined by dssp?"
Henryb says, "Rogers is it possible to visualise h bonds between two molecules in the same
way?"
JohnW nods to silke
RogerSayle [guest] says, ""yes, DSSP defines structures based upon hydrogen bonding
patterns"
Kurt says, "So why does DSSP call the C-terminus alpha helix?"
JohnW says, "Yes I was wondering that, Henry"
RogerSayle [guest] says, ""i -> i+4, i+1 -> i+5 implies i+1 - 1+4 are alpha helix!"
RogerSayle [guest] says, ""DSSP allows three types of helix +4: alpha helix, +3 3,10-helix
and +5 pi-helix"
RogerSayle [guest] says, ""Infact the c-terminal is a short 3,10-helix"
RogerSayle [guest] says, ""Now try the following sequence of commands"
RogerSayle [guest] says, ""select all; hbonds off; select cys; wireframe 40; select sulphur;
spacefill"
The housekeeper arrives to cart EricG off to bed.
RogerSayle [guest] says, ""Although, commonly hydrogen bonding is the main stabalising
factor in protein structure, in the case of crambin its the disulphide bridges that also help!"
Kurt applauds
TRex says, "I must do more of this !"
ClareS applauds too
JohnW claps
PeteO . o O ( Very nice! )
Paolo claps
HorstJS 's jaw drops
Johnr claps exuberantly
Silke applauds as well
RogerSayle [guest] says, ""one of the questions that was asked earlier is how do you select
amino acids, the previous example shows that all residues of a particular type can be selected
by giving the three letter code"
TRex says, "And we haven't even gotten to making movies yet!"
ClareS says, "I really am going to have to go soon; thanks for a very useful seminar"
JohnW says, "I think making movies will have to wait for another day.. definitely an
'advanced topic'"
ClareS says, "one thing I am particularly interested in is how to make / show movies with
rasmol "
JohnW waves to clares
TRex nods enthusiastically
RogerSayle [guest] says, ""Ok there are several ways of making movies for RasMol"
Henryb says, "can I do this with 2.5?"
RogerSayle [guest] says, ""One method involves generating indiviidual frames as GIF images
and composing them together using public domain software into MPEG movies, the other
makes use of the "refresh" commands in RasMol script files"
ClareS says, "would it be possible to address this topic at a later meeting? Would others be
interested?"
JohnW [to RogerSayle]: "so that the 'movie-player' is rasmol itself?
Silke is definitely interested
RogerSayle [guest] says, ""Unfortunately, for best results you need RasMol v2.6""
TRex says, "i certainly would, but can Roger find the time?"
ClareS . o O ( I will need to find out about that PD software, too )
Kurt is also very interested
PeteO too!
Paolo too
RogerSayle [guest] [to JohnW]: "should we schedule a later meeting?"
CrisCan too
Johnr WILL be there!
Henryb says, "these extra requirements mean that I would prefer if this were done at a later
dat"
TRex says, "Perhaps a later date, with a notice about the files and programs needed then?"
ClareS is looking at her diary!
Gayle schulte says, "I'd like another meeting on RasMol"
HorstJS says, "mee too"
TRex says, "If everyone can have 2.6, for example"
Qian [guest] says, ""good idea, Terry.""
JohnW says, "yes, considering the attendance today, another RasMol meeting is certainly on
the cards.."
Henryb says, "I would like to say thanks to Roger for coming and telling us about all the
goodies he built into rasmol... thanyou again"
TRex hear, hear For he's a jolly good fellow...
ClareS is wondering if it is worth setting a time now... while everyone (almost) ois still here
Qian [guest] says, ""Thanks, Roger.""
Johnr says, "Frosting on the cake, telling us about the great pgm you've written!"
RogerSayle [guest] says, ""I'll hang around a bit longer to answer any quuestions people may
have and hopefully get them recorded"
TRex says, "This is good for me - not much traffic from Oz at this time!"
PeteO says, "Thanks very much!"
JohnW says, "Ok shall we set a date and time now, or arrange one thru the 'usual
channels'...how about a day next week or is that too soon, everyone?"
Henryb says, "fine by me"
Johnr says, "While the iron is hot!"
Silke says, "next week is fine by me"
ClareS says, "Wed-fri next week OK for me"
Kurt says, "I'm away next week, but I guess it's impossible to choose a date that's OK for
everyone"
TRex says, "I think I will work around everything else to get here"
Paolo says, "by me too"
HorstJS says, "fine by me too"
Qian [guest] says, ""Ok for me.""
JohnW says, "ok then, shall we make it same time, same day, same place, next week?"
CrisCan says, "ok for me"
PeteO nods
ClareS says, "ok for me"
Paolo says, "ok for me"
Johnr says, "Good, here"
TRex says, "Wednesday 1500 GMT?"
ClareS is late for her next appt already
JohnW says, "which is Wed 5th I believe, ...15:00 GMT then."
Qian [guest] says, ""Good for me.""
TRex says, "Done!"
Kurt has disconnected.
Henryb says, "wed 5th 1500 gmt is fine for me"
JohnW says, "well, I can only add my hearty thanks to Roger for coming today."
TRex says, "Roger, I'm still not sure about RasMenu - it *is8 needed for certain
commands??"
CheeMV has disconnected.
ClareS applauds, thanks Roger again, and retreats in a hurry
Jzt says, "Many thanks from me too, Roger"
TRex agrees with JohnW
PeteO says, "Thanks again!"
PeteO has disconnected.
ClareS has disconnected.
Paolo says, "Thank you!"
Gayle schulte says, "thanks"
HorstJS says, "thank you very much!!!"
Simo bows
Qian [guest] says, ""thanks, Roger, See you next time.""
Silke [to RogerSayle]: Thanks a lot!
Simo has disconnected.
Paolo has disconnected.
CrisCan says, "thanks "
Henryb says, "thanks Roger and bye all"
Henryb has disconnected.
JohnW says, "Perhaps we should let Eric Martz and the listers know pronto about next
week?"
TRex waves to departing friends
Qian [guest] says, ""Bye for now, everybody.""
JohnW says, "If this room can hold that many people...."
TRex says, "Good odea John - can the system handle the likely traffic?"
Qian [guest] says, ""Good night, Terry. See you tomorrow.""
TRex says, "Bye Qian"
Qian [guest] has disconnected.
Johnr says, "Invite Eric... make transcripts available"
The housekeeper arrives to remove qian [guest].
Johnr says, "little stepos, later teaching the world about MOOing :-)"
TRex grins
JohnW [to terry]: well I was wondering about that. Though there are now a LOT of people
on the list, I dont know how many are currently MOO-versed...I think the more the merrier
anyway!
TRex says, "Absolutely. Perhaps people could email topics, so that the majority could be dealt
with by working through an example??"
TRex says, "I know that someone left some topics here earlier"
JohnW nods
TRex nods sagely
CrisCan says, "I think this is a good idea time is little for all the problems"
Paulyta waves bye
Paulyta has disconnected.
JohnW says, "Well, perhaps we should officially bring this to a close if no-one has any more
questions""
JohnW . o O ( another 2 hours whizzed by )
Jzt says, "Shall I turn off the recorder, John?"
The housekeeper arrives to cart kurt off to bed.
TRex says, "I think we can cover most things in another session more efficiently"
Teakwon [guest] has disconnected.
HorstJS says, "i think i schedule my expressions question to the next meeting"
The housekeeper arrives to remove teakwon [guest].
RogerSayle [guest] says, ""who"
TRex says, "hearty thanks to all"
Gayle schulte says, "thank you! and bye"
Gayle schulte has disconnected.
JohnW nods to jzt
TRex wanders off to get tickets for the encore!
CrisCan says, "thank you very much and bye"
jzt turns the C-recorder off.